We don't often agree with Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, but he had it exactly right when he chastised supporters of an anti-gay rights ballot initiative for trying to keep their identities secret.
Notice how they characterize it as "anti-gay rights", even though people may be supporting the repeal of the domestic partnership law for the sake of defending marriage from incremental counterfeiting. Also notice that people like the editorial writers call domestic partnerships "gay rights" when they think it is the "best" a state will do and yet "unacceptable bigotry" when they think the state could possibly have neutered marriage instead.
Which is it?
"The 1st Amendment does not protect you from criticism or even nasty phone calls when you exercise your political rights to legislate or to take part in the legislative process," Scalia told a lawyer for a group that unsuccessfully sought to overturn the state of Washington's domestic partnership law.Isn't voting on an initiative taking part in the legislative process? Should ballots on initiatives no longer be private?
Scalia's colorful comments during oral arguments last week focused on a key distinction between signing a petition to put an issue to the voters and casting a secret ballot.And what is that distinction? What makes the difference? Where is the line drawn, and why? I do tend to favor more transparency, but I do not think equal protection under the law is happening when it comes to harassment.
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Unlike California's public records law, Washington's version doesn't make an exception for ballot signatures.So, it is okay to keep the signers private in California? Somehow, I think this editorial board would say no.
We hope that the eventual opinion reflects one of Scalia's other observations at oral arguments: "You know, you can't run a democracy this way, with everybody being afraid of having his political positions known."
Yes, but you see, in a lot of places in this country, despite the freedoms of religion and speech, people are legally harassed and fired for a political position in favor of protecting marriage or judicial restraint, while someone advocating to neuter marriage is legally protected because they claim it is tied to them being attracted to someone of the same sex. Law enforcement is ordered and funded to aggressively pursue charges against those who commit assault and vandalism apparently because of the victim's sexual orientation, but not if the victim is targeted because their religious or political convictions lead them to defend marriage.
I suppose one could make the argument that their sex or sexual orientation compels them to defend marriage, but will law enforcement and the courts take that seriously and aggressively prosecute harassment? Why is asking a coworker on a date or offering a compliment actionable harassment, but not harassment based on their support of marriage?
If the folks in the State of Washington lose this one, I suggest recruiting abortionists as petition gatherers. This will absolutely guarantee privacy, and anyone hostile who gets near one will face a federal case.
Seriously, marriage defenders could respond in kind, "reaching out" to those who back marriage neutering legislation, the way they have reached our or are seeking to reach out to marriage defenders. (After all, isn't that why they want names?) The problem is that defenders of marriage are more likely to be law-abiding, civil, tolerant, and have families to tend to, while those seeking to neuter marriage are more likely to have the time and inclination to try to intimidate people. In California, nobody feared publicly stating their opposition to the California Marriage Amendment, while supportes of the amendment were afraid or had reason to be afraid - and yes, it was fear, not shame - fear of unstable, intolerant, and powerful people, not fear of having their covictions known.
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ReplyDeleteI'm aware of the recent "news" with Rekers, but I haven't bothered to research it. I didn't know his name before this. I guess I'm not as obsessed with him as some people are.
ReplyDeleteWhatever he did or didn't do is irrelevant to issues we discuss here. For example, nothing he has done changes whether or not homosexual behavior is immoral or destructive or even just merely different from heterosexual behavior, or if marriage licenses should be neutered.
Besides, someone can still speak the truth about what is right or wrong or best public policy even if they sometimes behave in a way that violates that. For example, someone can rightly say drunk driving is a bad thing, but later be caught drunk driving themselves. They weren't wrong to say drunk driving is bad - they were wrong to drink and drive.
In the worldview I'm covinced is true, every human being who ever has lived has sinned, except for one. Yet we should all speak out againt sin.
I'll just add that we are not an ex-gay stalking site either. Peter, your link will be deleted.
ReplyDeleteRekers is one of the guys who founded the Family Research Council and NARTH.
ReplyDeleteI'm not opposed to people speaking out against what they consider sin. Yes, we all stumble and fall, but it takes a special kind of hubris to rail against homosexuality while hiring male prostitutes. (See Haggard, Ted.)
But Rekers wasn't just speaking out against what he considered sin -- he was arguing for public policy.
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum paid Rekers $89,000 as an expert witness on the issue of whether or not the state should allow same-sex couples to adopt children.
Reker's behavior undermines his standing as an expert witness, don't you think?
And the reparative therapy movement ends up wearing a "Kick Me" sign because of this, too.
Ex-gay stalking? Huh?
ReplyDeleteI'll grant that the connection to Walrus' post was tenuous, but there doesn't seem to be a way to contact any of you to ask a question. Therefore, if I'm going to ask a question, I have to pick a thread.
Perhaps I'm supposed to figure out that you don't want questions.
"Should ballots on initiatives no longer be private?"
ReplyDeletePetitions need to be public so that they are known to be voter approved and not a fabrication of those who support the petition. The ballot should still remain secret as always. That's the difference, and being that Scalia is the most conservative on the Supreme Court I'd wager those who support secrecy for all have lost their battle.
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ReplyDeleteThis site deals with issues of biological family, we all have a mother and father and the promotion of marriage for every individual has the right to be raised by their mother and father in society. In return society recognizes and promotes these ideals for every individual by having a legal concept (like marriage). Even gay people have a mom and dad, and they have the right to be loved by them. Loving your children doesn't mean condoning everything they do though.
ReplyDeleteThe conjugal act is not the same as same-sex acts. Even heterosexual behavior by means of oral or anal sex still runs the risk of pregnancy (Really). Sure same-sex marriage advocates have every right to run down our government system; demanding to recognize legally their their sexual acts are no different then heterosexual activity.
Who cares about fatherless children, high divorce rates, the work balance/transition, or poverty women face when they have children without the other parent not on board?
I do.
I'm not ashamed about caring and liking where babies come from (male/female sex) and ensuring adults have the ability to care for their offspring as one cohesive family unit, as husband and wife.
Renee Aste
Lowell Massachusetts
I don't understand what your post has to do with petitions, but I agree with what you have to say.
ReplyDeletePete: ...but there doesn't seem to be a way to contact any of you to ask a question.
ReplyDeleteWhile I do not intend to turn this comment stream into a blogspot tutorial, email addresses can be found in the user's profile. Simply click on the name of an author to get to the relevant profile.
Op-ed, thanks, but your profile does not include any contact info. Clicking through all the team members, I see that the Playful Walrus has posted his email. In the future, I'll direct any off-topic questions to him.
ReplyDeleteThe "conversations" proponents of neutered marriage want to have with supporters of true marriage is analagous to high pressure sales.
ReplyDeleteYou know, the kind where that oh-so-nice salesman comes to your door, very kindly telling you about the great new product he'd like for you to buy, and about all the reasons why you may need it, etc.
You try to tell him, politely, sorry, but you're just not interested.
Oh, he understands just how you feel, and if you really don't want to buy it, could you at least consider trying it out, etc., and if you then decide you don't want it, you can always cancel, that's fine, but he tells you how after a few days you will be pleasantly surprised, and he'll go through all the statistics about how you would be so much better off with this product than without it, and all he's asking you for is to keep an open mind, etc.
He's such a nice, sincere young man, you just don't want to get blunt and tell him sorry, no, would you please go.
But you try, and before you can get halfway through your sentence, he's trying to offer yet another compromise, perhaps to waive a fee for the first month, or something like that. Meanwhile, he's also saying how nice your yard looks, or saying hello in a friendly, honest, sincere way to your wife or your kids, even petting your dog.
You hate to be so blunt. What's the harm in just trying it, right?
You try it, and they then talk you out of cancelling, being so, so, nice about it.
Oh, you find yourself thinking, that could be your son at his first job, you ogre, telling him to go in such a mean way, hurting that nice young man's feelings. But you know you can't afford it down the line....oh what will it hurt, huh.
And then you find the answer to that months or years later.
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ReplyDeletePeter, if you disagree with my above characterization of what is meant by "conversations" where petition signers are concerned, I'd certainly be willing to discuss it.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm referring to above, I should clarify, is not people such as yourself or myself who willingly come here to discuss the issue. I'm talking about those who want to put out the names of all those who signed petitions for referendums and say it's about having "conversations" with them. Sorry if I gave you the mistaken impression that I was referring to any supporter of SSM who wishes to discuss the issue with those who disagree with them and have willingly chosen to discuss it with them.
Sorry, my mistake then.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think it's totally inappropriate to call up someone because they signed a petition.
I will delete my comment, as it is based on a misreading.
Well, I take responsibility for the misreading: I should have said "The 'conversations' proponents of publicizing the names of petition signers want to have is analagous to high pressure sales."
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