The following is a brief record straightener on where I see both sides as best getting what they both want.
Seda starts out in an attempt to educate his readership on one of the points of my proposal, using Reciprocal Beneficiaries to fit the need of a mutual-trust catch-all relationship recognition. But the attempt is not without problems...
Gay people can become Reciprocal Beneficiaries, which essentially means the states pass a law that grants any two adults who are restricted from marriage by law "access to a limited number of rights and benefits on the state level."
Three problems with that statement.
The first is regarding the specific and the general. The real Wikipedia quote says, "Since 1997, the U.S. state of Hawaii has offered reciprocal beneficiary registration [...]". States need not follow the exact formulation provided by another state. Hawaii doesn't match, exactly, the formulation I would enact either.
For me RB's are a way of assigning mutual trust across non-marital lines. And by non-marital I mean mutual trust strictly independent of the compelling expectation of mutual trust which is imperative to fostering the equal recognition of rights and responsibilities of the man, woman, and child they potentially have together. I think Hawaii meets that goal, though I would have made a few differences myself (for instance recognizing in-family trust relationships).
The second and third problems in Seda's statement are about limits. Please note that while the emphasis on "limited number of rights" is technically true, it is also technically true of marriage. Marriage, or any other institution (including the constitution) only gives a limited number of rights and benefits. My expectation is that RB's can contain every right which is needed and useful. I don't see or set any particular limit to the possibilities.
And most importantly where I (and potentially RB's) see a large target group, apparently Seda sees the same old exclusive interest. You see, to me it is one of the real benefits of RB's that they are not limited to "gays".
It's not clear whether OnLawn would allow the reciprocal beneficiaries to extend to the federal level.
I can clarify that by re-iterating that I set no limits on what entity can or should recognize RB's.
So that should do it, I hope that explains better the attempted compromise. Of course it does not speak to many GLBT issues that Seda raises. Marriage is about ensuring equal recognition of rights and responsibilities between the man, woman, and potential child they procreate together. We can address those other issues with a variety of means, but lets not throw marriage equality out the window to do so.
DVD extras:
Of course Seda engaged more in GLBT issues then marriage issues. It is always a point of sadness to see marriage as a hostage to unrelated causes, because that simply means marriage must sell or lose its identity as the terms of release. But these DVD extras try to walk the fine line of propriety in discussing these orthogonal issues, while maintaining independence from the overall marriage debate.
But as I try to walk that fine line, you can see the wrestling of the knife behind the back and the subtle controlling jerks towards one direction and another, taking my statements to assumptions which are simply not true. But if that is all he wants to do, I'm okay with that. My views of gays are more fair and reasonable then Seda can bring himself to acknowledge let alone truthfully relate.
No age-appropriate educational materials reflecting LGBT families in schools.
Again, it isn't a marriage issue. If Seda would like to argue that neutering marriage would be a way to introduce such materials in the school-room, Seda would have to take that point up with the GLBT marketers who denied any such agenda exists. But is this a matter of censorship or simply curriculum priority? But just to make sure we understand the design of that sentence lets look at the parallel drawn up by Seda. Especially the design of how absolute and far reaching Seda intends it to be. When translating that to a policy about Mormons (Seda presumes I am one) Seda says:
No educational materials mentioning Mormons will be allowed in schools.
Wow that sounds like complete censorship. Now immediately following is the original question Seda asked. Does this sound like a question which is asking about complete censorship?
Would you trade supporting age-appropriate educational tools (such as the book “Heather Has Two Mommies” and movies like “Southern Comfort”) for teaching your children
I invite the reader to the exercise of how that statement can be considered an invitation for complete control or censorship. To me it sounds like Seda was either being dishonest about the question, or my answer. But who am I to stop debate on such a petty issue? Lets run with this comparison anyway.
The only reference I saw about Mormons was in US History, which was in the 5th grade (IIRC) and again Junior and Senior High School. Maybe "polygamy" isn't age appropriate for kindergarteners (and I'd agree about that, by the way). I don't see a book called "Heather's Dad Has Two Wives" being any more accepted for pre-school to 1st grade.
The book in question is neither a work of history or any literary value. It is simply one-sided script written in an effort to inculcate according to a minority group's special interests.
In comparison, I've never read about Mormons in school except in relation to settling the state of Utah. Mormon's are not allowed to promote their self-scripted tools of indoctrination in the school room under separation of church and state. Either way, if gays settled a large portion of the western United States, I'd have no problem mentioning them.
Material which is designed for no other purpose then to promote one group of people to the youngest children possible is not something I wish censor, but I can't support it as established curriculum either. School is about education, plain and simple. As a student I especially disliked being inculcated, but I enjoyed education. As an adult I feel it important to lay down that same standard for what we teach students.
That said, homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle is already presented in the schools. I remember learning about it in 6th grade and Junior and Senior high school as a part of a specially devoted class we called "sex-ed". I support the honest discussion of the homosexual lifestyle in such venues, I even support making it even more honest. I don't support sex-ed as a how-to manual, mind you, but there is a certain amount of context which needs to be developed through trusted channels to help process all of the un-structured inculcation that floods the media today.
You may or may not agree on my stance on that GLBT issue. That is fine, since I don't think it as critical to the foundations of society as marriage I have a large degree of open tolerance for other views. I don't think we as a society have quite the right answer for that yet as much as we do for marriage. But the reason I outline it is because I don't believe anyone can reasonably interpret that to be censorship. I don't appreciate Seda attempting to wrestle it that way.
I think this is enough to draw a line between Seda's fiction and the reality of what I said. My point is, admittedly, a further cataloging of the attempts to breed ill feelings through deliberate misrepresentation. It is, in part, a way to set the record straight. It is not, to me, important to this debate whether or not such materials are left in the schools though I'm happy to share my opinion on it. As marriage is about what is best for those intending (or engaging in acts which might lead to) procreation, it stands or falls simply on our ability to recognize the importance of that protection.
So all in all, I feel sorry for Seda. I actually have no idea what about Seda prevents him from being respectful and honest about true attempts at compromise. I mean, the least one can ask is for a fair and honest re-telling of my position. In fact I encourage the reader to go re-read my response. As always what is said is far more reasonable and fair then what the dishonest keep trying to say it said.