The nine-week program, partially funded by the Burlington School District, was held at Vermont's Queer Youth Center and called "Gendertopia."Kids used to look at their two parents to see representations of the two sexes.Gay, lesbian and straight students discussed a wide range of topics, from the characters in the book and movie "Twilight," to taking photos around the city that show the different ways gender is portrayed in popular culture.
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"Most people come into it thinking, 'Oh, there's two genders and two sexualities' ... ," said David Kingsbury, a 16-year-old junior at Burlington High School who signed up for the program. "People assume it's boy and girl, but it's so much more than that. There's a whole world out there full of different genders."Perhaps, depending on how you define "gender". There are two sexes – male and female.
The program is among the first of its kind to be funded, in part, with tax dollars, said Christopher Neff, the executive director of Outright Vermont, the social service organization running Gendertopia.Do you know where your tax dollars are?
Neither the program nor the school district's participation triggered any objection.There could be any number of reasons for that – including that it is voluntary. Perhaps those with old fashioned ideas such as, oh, women have XX chromosomes, and men have XY chromosomes – maybe they already found a way to prevent their child from being subject to this. Or maybe someone with reservations was afraid of being publicly (and unfairly) labeled a bigot?
It's so important that people be able to see beyond any concerns or misconceptions that they have," said Eliza Byard, the executive director of the New York-based Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network, which has 35 chapters across the country.Which misconceptions would those be, I wonder? They don't say in this piece.
The program was designed to help young people identify the subtle signals used to express gender and how not being aware of those signals can lower self esteem and possibly lead to an increase in at-risk activities like substance abuse or dropping out of school, Neff said.Look, if one guy is counting on another classmate to notice and compliment his eyeliner or he's going to smoke crack, well, he's got problems that have nothing to do with other students not picking up on his passes.
"We often see a lot of homophobia or transphobia that happens on the basis of how someone looks," Neff said. "If you are making fun of me because I am wearing a pink shirt and that's sort of expressing my femininity, my feminine side, that translates into homophobia, but it has nothing to do with whether I'm straight or whether I'm dating boys or whether I'm dating girls. It has to do with the fact that I'm wearing a pink shirt."You know, like just about every other kid, I got kidded around or taunted by other kids. Let's say they taunted me about my eyeglasses. Does that mean they were myopophobic, and needed sensitivity training?
Burlington School Superintendent Jeanne Collins said no one has objected to the program.I like sticking bananas in my ear. Are you going to celebrate that, and what I bring to the table? You're a bigot if you think bananas don't belong in the human ear."The district has been in the forefront on this topic for at least a decade, if not longer," Collins said. "We are very sensitive to celebrating the differences in people and accepting people for who they are and what they bring to the table."
The funny thing about schools claiming they for "accepting people for who they are" is that the whole point of school is to change someone. The purpose of schools used to be to educate kids, which definitely changes them. If we accepted that they were ignorant and wanted to honor that, we wouldn't teach them. Adults don't go to college so that they'll be the same person when they are done.
Steve Cable, of Rutland the founder of Vermont Renewal, an organization that promotes what he calls traditional family values, said he wasn't familiar with "Gendertopia," but he knew Outright Vermont.Notice it is what "he calls" traditional family values. No bias here.
About 40 students signed up for the program, Neff said, and about 12 attended the weekly program. Sometimes the group watched a movie or had food. Much of the discussion was led by the students themselves, and it wasn't just for gay and lesbian students.Led by the students? Couldn't they do that at the mall on their own time? 12 attended. Well, I'd say that deserves a friendly national Associated Press story.
"I'm straight, but I don't like using that word because then it feels like if you're gay then you're crooked, you're not meant to grow up in a certain way," Sophia Manzi, 15, a Burlington high school freshman, said during this year's final "Gendertopia" meeting.But it is okay to use the word "queer"?
Neff said "Gendertopia" wasn't about sexuality or who people are attracted to.Actually, that's exactly what it is about. I like how there is a demand for creating protected classes based on behaviors, and all of these programs that grow out of that, and then on the other hand it isn't supposed to be about that behavior. Really? Then what is the difference? These "different genders" are all about how someone behaves.
"We're really clear that gender and gender identify is separate from sexual orientation," Neff said.You mean, like how I am a male lesbian?
"Hugh Grant and Russell Crowe have the same sex, they're both male and they're both heterosexual. But they have very different gender presentations. One is sort of seen as much more masculine than the other."We need to teach high school kids this stuff? My hunch is that these are the two tamest examples they use.
Look, people are born male and female, the species perpetuates itself through the two sexes interacting. Sure, some people of each of those two sexes have no interest in sex, or are attracted to people of the same sex exclusively or in addition to people of the opposite sex. Yeah, there are instances when baby is born with some abnormal genitalia. But there are two basic genders – period. I saw picture of a baby born with a third arm. Instead of starting an activist movement to "honor" this new category of identity, they amputated the arm.
You know, not everyone is born XX or XY (and I am entirely disregarding the issue of approximately 4% of the population whose DNA is "normal", but whose genitalia don't match at all).
ReplyDeleteThere are those born with just an X. 1 in 2,500 live births. 90% of fetuses with this anomaly, called Turner's Syndrome spontaneously abort (called miscarriage), and in fact it accounts for 10% of all miscarriages.
There are those born with XXX. 1 in 1,000 births.
There are those born with XXXX. 100 cases reported since 1961.
There are those born XXXXX. 25 cases reported since 1963.
There are those born with XYY- 1 in 1,000 boys.
There are those born with XXY. 1 in 1,000 boys have the associated Klinefelter's Syndrome. 1 in 500 have XXY with no symptoms.
There are those born XXYY. 1 in 18,000 to 40,000 live births.
My point? Sex and gender are significantly more complicated than you like to pretend.
And do the "gender" categories line up with those different combinations? I haven't verified, but I doubt it.
ReplyDeletePeople are born with all sorts of different deviations from "normal".
That doesn't change that XY and XX are the normal configurations, and male and female are the two sexes.
There are only 2 sexes PF. There's male, female, and about a million possible combinations of tragic birth defects that affect a tiny percentage of the population.
ReplyDelete" I saw picture of a baby born with a third arm. Instead of starting an activist movement to "honor" this new category of identity, they amputated the arm."
Perfect analogy.
In the end, it still takes an egg from a female and a sperm from a male to create life. Despite the extremely rare instances of inconclusive sex organs, we're still a two-gendered species. Also, I don't think tax dollars are needed to pay for these "exploratory" feel-good sessions.
ReplyDeleteAmong the 40 children in the program, the reporter did not provide a quote from someone to represent at least one of those categories that PF listed.
ReplyDeleteThese kids are boys and girls.
In the meantime, those who'd insist that some people are purely this or that sexual orientation ("gay v. straight") also would insist that sex differentiation is of vital importance not just to the individual but to all of society.
It is amusing, also, that the same lessons about eschewing stereotypes also includes the embrace of stereoytpes of what is more or less masculine in popular celebrities. This stuff is intellectually flimsy and it is a shame that the indoctrination is funded by tax dollars.
"Yeah, there are instances when baby is born with some abnormal genitalia. But there are two basic genders – period. I saw picture of a baby born with a third arm. Instead of starting an activist movement to "honor" this new category of identity, they amputated the arm."
ReplyDeleteTragic analogy.
Thousands of infants have been permanently scarred, their lives affected and even ruined, by adults "correcting" their ambiguous genitalia. The surgeries on infants are done without the individual's consent. No one asked them whether they wished to live as boy or girl, man or woman; or how they experienced life to be. Often, perhaps most of the time, it turns out badly. How do you even determine which is the natural state of the child, assuming that God made only "man" and "woman," and in these cases just happened to make a mistake?
How can you, PW, make the judgment that you have the authority to assign gender to someone whose gender is ambiguous at birth? What gives you, or any adult, the right to make that choice for another individual?
The choice of whether to have genital surgery is the right of every intersexed person. Any abrogation of that right is a crime, a cruel travesty, and an act of hubristic arrogance.
And that's why people like me will fight to defend those children.
Hi Seda. That's fine, but people should only be allowed to conceive as the sex they're most likely able to conceive as. We should allow people to have surgery to change their genitalia and legal sex, but not try to conceive as that sex, unless they're correcting a mistake. The initial assignment at birth should always be the most-likely-to-be-a-parent-as judgment, but sometimes it's wrong, and that's private, so it doesn't have to always match the public legal sex. "Trans rights" should not include a right to procreate with either sex, or as either sex.
ReplyDelete(Yours, Sincerely: It is no longer true that both sexes are required to procreate, though it's still experimental. The question is, should we allow people to attempt it or not?