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Thursday, May 28, 2009

Polygamy Continues to Gain Traction

According to their mission statement, Our Weekly "will position itself as the paper of choice as it relates to reaching the Los Angeles African American community." Their cover story by Gregg Reese is on polygamy.

Here are a couple quotes of interest:

Less well publicized is the practice of polygamy within the African American community. Its proponents argue that the adoption of this custom can be seen as a return to the conventions of traditional African rituals abandoned when our present citizenry was forced into slavery. Other viewpoints suggest polygamy is the answer to the extreme imbalance between Black men and women, and the generations old plight of children who grow up fatherless.
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Plural marriage as a viable concept today is not merely one of a hedonist arrangement put into service for masculine benefit. Advocates from the counterculture of the 1960s, especially those embroiled in the Black Power/Black Nationalist Movement, suggest this idea represents a return to the traditions abandoned when slaves were wrenched from their homeland and forced into the constraints of Christianity and monogamy. Curiously, some feminists claim this as an alternative lifestyle potentially empowering for women, while social scientists suggest it is a practical solution for the dysfunction and ills that ravage contemporary society, especially the absence of fathers and parental figures that plague the Black family. Some religious leaders and theologians propose that polygamy is morally sound compared to the deceit inherent in many Christian unions.

[More is below the fold if you care to read it.]

Notice that fatherlessness is presented as a problem, with the implied answer supposedly being sharing a father, instead of getting another mother.

The article also implies that affairs involving married people are virtually equivalent to formal polygamy, and conversely that being involved in polygamy can give some participants the benefits of an affair without the full responsibility of marriage.

Formal polygamy certainly has a long historical basis, while calling or licensing same-sex pairings as marriages does not. We frequently see marriage neutering advocates cite past polygamy as evidence that marriage has changed over the years, though in doing so they ignore that, through all of the changes, one of the few core elements of marriage has been its uniting of the sexes.

By the reasoning of the California Supreme Court when it struck down Proposition 22, historically oppressed minorities (African-Americans certainly qualify) should be granted what they ask from the majority – doesn't that mean that if some African-Americans ask for a polygamous marriage license, they have a right to one?

(H/T: LAObserved.com)

12 comments,:

  1. Muslims live in plural marriages all over the world and there seems to be no problem brought by them.

    "Some people ask why, I ask why not?" ~Robert Kennedy

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  2. "Some people ask why, I ask why not?"

    Absolutely ridiculous to use as a guide to deciding policy.

    My own retort: Find out why not before you decide to go ahead with it. If you can discover the "why not", you might be able to work around it. If you can't, you're just throwing dice and walking into the dark. When you have no idea what the consequences are, the chances of something messing it all up are pretty great, and the more so the more complex the system is.

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  3. Multiple concurrent marriages now endorsed as part and parcel of SSM argumentation. No slippery slope needed.

    Next, people who experience Genetic Sexual Attraction (between relatives). Why not?

    Next, lone individuals. The Government is party to each marriage contract and it cannot deny consenting adults.

    Next, groups. No limits. No boundaries. No core meaning. No slippery slope just a lack of support for marriage itself.

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  4. I did not argue for or against polygamy. In fact, throughout much of history, official polygamy has existed, and those ARE marriages... usually multiple women to one man.

    If there is a "right" to state-licensed marriage so that a brideless or groomless pairing must be licensed as marriage if the two men or two women want that - an arrangement that has only recently been recognized anywhere as marriage - then surely that right precludes restrictions against polygamy. Since when are "rights" extended beyond individuals to couples, but not to trios or other groupings? On what basis can one claim that a pairing has a right, but that a trio does not?

    I argue that rights (in the sense we are discussing) apply to individuals only.

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  5. Chairm, you're being ridiculous. There are only two sexual orientations, gay and straight. It is only natural and acceptable to be sexually attracted to a man or to a woman. Both gays and straights are sexually attracted to a man or to a woman.

    If continuing the species required having sex with a relative, than incest would be a legitimate sexual orientation. If three people were needed to reproduce, polygamy would be legitimate.

    This is the best thing ever written on gay marriage:

    http://www.gryphmon.com/2005/07/the_blood_of_ed.html

    If there was such a thing as absolute male and female, marriage would not exist.

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  6. I agree that SSM argumentation is ridiculous.

    Your second and last paragraphs serve to reinforce that observation. Thanks.

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  7. No, you're being ridiculous. Your anti-SSM argumentation depends on absolute definitions of male and female, which is a myth.

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  8. Arturo: There are only two sexual orientations, gay and straight.Uh, no, and this, I believe, is at the heart of why neutering marriage will not work. If we could neatly divide the world into gays and straights I wouldn't be opposing this near as strongly as I do.

    Your pro-SSM argumentation depends on absolute definitions of homosexual and heterosexual, which is a myth.

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  9. The nature of humankind is two-sexed; if it were not, we would essentially not be humankind.

    The nature of human procreation is opposite-sexed; if it were not, human regeneration would essentially be asexual.

    The nature of human community is both-sexed; if it were not, civilization would have arisen in one-sexed forms throughout human history and human anthropology.

    Marriage arises from these givens. SSM depends on the arbitrary power of Government (capital G) giving "gay marriage" special status for being neither gay nor marriage.

    Marriage and its defense does not depend on absolutism, but SSM argumentation shows a strong totalitarian impulse that is expressed in various rules that SSMers insist must be enforced absolutely -- at least when attacking the core of marriage but not when challenging SSM argumentation itself.

    The nature, or the essentials, or the universal features of "gay marriage" are ... ? Well, not known because SSM argumentation denies there is a core meaning much less a basis for drawing boundaries around whatever SSM is or is not. See my 4th paragraph in this very comment.

    Polyamy provides an inferior form of sex integration and an inferior form of responsible procreation. Indeed, where polygamy is normative, societies tend toward increased sex segregation and decreased responsible procreation.

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  10. Chairm, I see you added more. I'm in a rush, so I won't even read your comment right now. I'll get back to it. But as you started with "The nature of humankind is two-sexed", I'm sure it's more of the same from you.

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  11. RK, you said:

    "Some people ask why, I ask why not?"

    Absolutely ridiculous to use as a guide to deciding policy.

    My own retort: Find out why not before you decide to go ahead with it. If you can discover the "why not", you might be able to work around it. If you can't, you're just throwing dice and walking into the dark. When you have no idea what the consequences are, the chances of something messing it all up are pretty great, and the more so the more complex the system is.

    Who ever said that we would go into polygamy without first thinking it through? Robert Kennedy's comment makes this point: error on the side of liberty when you can.

    Muslims have had polygamous relations for thousands of years and our own Bible speaks of it as commonplace, so your point would be?

    Are Muslims evil? ;)

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  12. Go ahead, JHG, justify polygamy on its merits. Maybe you would emphasize liberty since you think that is the trump card.

    Your inviation to villify people, rather than discuss the substantive disagreement, exemplifies the accusatory pattern repeated in SSM arugmentation.

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