Equality California (EQCA) has invited Miss California Carrie Prejean to meet with leaders from her home state lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender organization, LGBT students and a family headed by a same-sex couple to start a dialogue about who LGBT people are and the harm that is caused by denying LGBT community members equality.What about eunuchs?
She did not advocate denying people equality. She simply stated the same opinion as the majority of California's voters, as codified in the California Marriage Amendment - that marriage unites the sexes.
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Geoff Kors, executive director of EQCA, was prompted to extend the invitation to Miss California after learning about another suicide linked to anti-gay bullying in order to discuss how sentiments such as those expressed by Miss California can contribute to a climate that leads to harassment and bullying of LGBT youth.Yes, you see, it was her answer during the Miss USA broadcast that caused someone to kill himself. Huh?!? Does anyone but the most agenda-blinded person actually believe that statements on a pageant broadcast like "marriage is between a man and a woman" are actually causing someone to kill themselves, or encouraging schoolyard bullies? She was actually very supportive of freedom in her answer.
Jaheem Herrera, an 11-year-old Georgia student, hung himself April 16th after enduring daily harassment and students calling him "gay and a snitch."Well then, perhaps a snitch-rights group should be extending invitations to people who have not endorsed two snitches getting married? And how is anyone sure what Herrera was thinking? It is a sad situation, to be sure, but it is shameful the way these situation are exploited by these advocates.
This is the second suicide by a middle school or elementary school student in the last two weeks that has been linked to bullying, and the fourth this year.How about we work on reducing bullying in general? Let's start with gossip bloggers.
"Miss California probably doesn't realize how hurtful her statements are, especially to LGBT youth," Kors said.Are they as hurtful as hormone treatments to help one appear to be someone of the opposite sex, or removing healthy body parts for the same reason?
"But this is about something much bigger than the issue of marriage alone, and I have to believe that if she meets us, she will come to see our humanity, and at the very least, I hope she will understand that what she says as Miss California can either hurt people or bring them together."She didn't say homosexual people aren't human. She supported their freedom of association, if I recall correctly. She did not disparage homosexual people, homosexual behavior, or same-sex couples. She didn't say they are bad people. If this isn't a cynical publicity stunt and is actually sincere, then it is another example of how these activists insist that anything less than praise of their behavior and wholehearted support of everything they want is akin to having disgust or hatred or misunderstanding of them as individuals. It simply isn't so.
She didn't say that homosexual people are unpleasant, either as individuals or as couples. Her view is not based on a bad experience with a same-sex couple. It is based on (as we later found out) her convictions about meaning, truth, and marriage.
...after learning about another suicide linked to anti-gay bullying in order to discuss how sentiments such as those expressed by Miss California can contribute to a climate that leads to harassment and bullying of LGBT youth.First of all, this boy who committed suicide was 11 years old. Are they claiming that he already knew that he was gay? All we know from what has been presented is that his harrassers called him "gay and a snitch". It is just as possible that he committed suicide because in doing so they made him feel that he was insufficiently heterosexual when he in fact is attracted to girls. (Telling a boy that no matter how attracted he is to girls, he will not be considered masculine enough for girls to be attracted to him, is a severe psychological attack in and of itself).
ReplyDeleteApparently we are to believe that all school bullying, and particularly all in which the bullies use the word "gay" or its more vulgar synonyms in their taunts, is directed against gay kids who would magically either no longer suffer such bullying or somehow not be affected by it if only same-sex marriage were legal. Right, like that would take care of everything.
In fact, what Equality California is doing is every bit as bullying, even if in a different way. They basically taunt Miss Prejean with stories and images of a terrible tragedy, then berate her with the idea that this was somehow her fault. Then, if she does not agree to meet with them to "discuss" how she is somehow responsible for this, she is then labeled as "insensitive" to the tragedy, and threatened to be turned into a pariah.
Call it "soft" bullying if you will, but it is bullying just the same, and just as much, the only difference being that emotional coercion is used instead of physical. It is tactics like these which convince me that SSM advocates are not going to rest merely with that legal goal, but will continue until they have emotionally degraded every person who even thinks of same-sex and opposite-sex relations as being different in any way other than the physically descriptive. Eventually, any person who dares say that they personally would not consider a same-sex sexual relationship will be similarly attacked.
And, yes, I do know very well how it feels to have been bullied in school, as I was, and in my case hardly ever with any synonyms for gay used. I hope people can understand how those who were bullied for any of the numerous other reasons resent hearing it talked about like only one reason matters.
That advocacy group is behaivng like Perez Hilton with a bigger budget and better PR.
ReplyDeleteIf bullying is a problem, deal with bullying.
Affirming marriage as marriage (i.e. the union of husband and wife) is not bullying.
What Perez Hilton did and continues to do in reaction (not in response but in reaction) to the answer he asked for, well, that's enough to hang the SSM campaign with its own rope.
So "EC" has chosen -- deliberately decided on a PR blitz -- to continue the example of Hilton for the sake of damage control.
The totalitarian impulse of gay identity politics is very strong and the SSM campaign has barely reigned it in. What "EC" is doing is enabling, encouraging, endorsing the attack that Hilton started on Miss California.
Suicide is one of the GLBT's most damning indictments. The fact is though it is just a likely that GLBT killed these youths as "anti-gay" killed these youths.
ReplyDeleteIt’s not like there exists some blood test that reveals that a young person is gay. It seems likely to me that many of these examples are young people recruited into performing gay sexual activity while still impressionable youth. It seems that that activity itself combined with the “you’ll always be that way mentality” (cant change who you are) that is just as likely to cause suicide in a young “gay” person as a few passages from Leviticus.
Fitz, I agree and have states so elsewhere. For a child to be told "there nothing you can do about these feelings or how you come across to others - you will have to embrace it, and those who claim to have changed are all liars" could in itself be very discouraging and depressing to a child.
ReplyDeleteI despise bullying of any sort, but it is a reality that has been around for a long time. We should teach our youth to stand up to bullies - to get authority figures involved if necessary, and to have a thick skin. Our children should know that their worth is not in what some other child thinks of them - there will always be people in life who have mean or nasty things to say.
Fitz, I agree and have states so elsewhere. For a child to be told "there nothing you can do about these feelings or how you come across to others - you will have to embrace it, and those who claim to have changed are all liars" could in itself be very discouraging and depressing to a child.x
ReplyDeleteIt's even worse than that. The message being drummed in today is as such: "If people call you gay, and you deny it, you are just showing your homophobia. You are just in denial about yourself. There is nothing wrong with being gay, and you will be freer if you just admit it. Stop fighting it, and fight instead for a society in which there is no difference between gay and straight."
So, in other words, if you somehow don't fit in with the others, and they harrass you for it and they call you gay, well, it's because you are.
And so, this is the psychological method by which it is hoped that the number of those self-identifying as gay will be greatly increased. Get people to think that if they don't fit in with the crowd for whatever reason, it must be because they are gay, and many will start to believe it.
There are plenty of straight kids who get bullied because the bullies perceive them as gay, or because the bullies find that calling someone gay is an effective means of bullying.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Peter, and I do not see that changing because SSM is legalized. Kids bully those who they see as different for whatever reason. Thank you for acknowledging this.
ReplyDeleteBut let me make an observation. Thirty years ago, there was a TV Guide article in which a number of TV writers stated with approval that today they could write almost any kind of story and it would not be vetoed by the networks due to its subjects. But they agreed that at least one subject would be rejected: a story about a homosexual who changed and became straight.
Today, I will venture that you can expand on that as far as what kind of story you will never see on TV, or the movies: You will never see a story about a boy or girl, taunted by others about being gay, or who is wondering whether or not they are gay, who upon further reflection, or counseling, realizes they really are not gay. That would now be considered taboo. And what is this telling kids in such a position?
Let those who stand for equal rights prevail, while those who oppose it fail.
ReplyDeleteLet sloganeering and platitudes prevail, while truth and honesty fails. And who cleans up the mess after the party's over? The janitor, I suppose.
ReplyDeleteKim: Let those who stand for equal rights prevail, while those who oppose it fail.
ReplyDeleteAnother vote against neutering marriage!
The worst thing humankind could do to itself would be to create a world where men and women did not need each other and know it. (I'm tempted to say, "other than making itself extinct", but then, this would be doing just that in time).
ReplyDeleteWho are our janitors?